Genesis

Почитал о Foxtrot. Красиво излагают, собаки.-)))
MIKE: 'Foxtrot' is one of my favourite Genesis albums, mainly because of 'Supper's Ready'. We wrote some of it at a doctor's house near Chessington, but most of it was written at Una Billing's School of Dancing in Shepherd's Bush. We were in a rehearsal room downstairs, which meant that we could hear the banging of feet all day long.
'Watcher of the Skies' was already written, 'Can-Utility And The Coastliners' was written in the rehearsal room and 'Get 'Em Out by Friday' was pretty much a group effort. It wasn't until we had recorded the album that we realized that we had something really strong. It marked the beginning of another era, I think, the time when Tony, Phil and I took over on the instrumental sections.

There was an element of luck involved. I mean the writing was good, but as we recorded 'Supper's Ready' it started to dawn on us that this was one of our strongest pieces.

TONY: 'Supper's Ready' was a combination of a lot of different ideas. 'Willow Farm' was a song that Peter had written that started off with a guitar piece of mine, which we turned into something that sounded a bit like 'Musical Box'. Then I thought it would be good to stop the song suddenly and go straight into 'Willow Farm' because it had a great introduction.

On the 'Apocalypse in 9/8' section, Mike, Phil and I were just jamming and I said to Mike, 'If you can keep to just these three notes, E, F sharp and B, it will allow me to play an awful lot more chords on top'. And that is how it came together.

The original idea was to leave some of the sections as chord sequences and then record some vocal harmony parts on top. I came in one day to find that Peter had put all these vocals on it. At first I thought, 'This is really annoying. He's singing over the keyboard' but it didn't really take me very long to realize that it was actually very good.

The vocals added drama and I felt that as a result, the song reached an incredible peak. I think 'Supper's Ready' is far and away the best thing we've written - not least because of the combination of ideas.

PETER: There was one particular incident which gave me the inspiration for 'Supper's Ready'. There was this room at the top of Jill's (his wife) parents' house. This room was the coldest part of the house. I always used to get the shivers when I went in there. It was covered in strong purple and turquoise wallpaper. Everything was bright purple and turquoise. Anyway, we had this strange evening up there, which ended with Jill feeling like she'd been possessed. It was extremely frightening.

I don't know how to explain it - it was as if she had had a fit, or something. I experienced a sense of evil at that point - I saw another face in her face. I don't know how much of this was going in inside my head and how much was actually happening, but it was an experience I could not forget and was the starting point for a song about the struggle between good and evil.

At times I really felt that I was being led, for there were a number of odd coincidences. Unlikely facts would suddenly come to light, or names would suddenly lead me to other things. I ended up reading Revelation in the Bible. This explains the apocalyptic bit at the end of 'Supper's Ready'. I think it was one of the first times that I felt I got a good performance out of my voice because I felt as if I was really singing from my soul - almost like singing for my life.

I made sure there was no one else around when I recorded my part, because I knew that (a) I couldn't do some of the vocals very well and also I would be rather self-conscious and (b) I was trying stuff that I knew some of the others wouldn't like. I knew that the keyboard solo was too long for the number. It was detracting. There was a great solo in there, but it needed editing. I thought that the only way that I could keep this number working was to get a vocal in. I worked for a long time to get it right.

When the band came in, they came in together. Thank God, I made sure of that! I played them the tape. Sure enough, Tony was outraged that I'd gone over his sacred solo. However the rest of the band were really excited by what I'd done and popular vote was always the deciding factor. These were the absurd manipulating tactics, which we were all guilty of, but probably me, more than any other!

PHIL: Peter used to try and get everybody out of the studio when he recorded the vocals. Tony and Mike were always thrown out. Peter preferred to do it this way as he didn't particularly want an audience when he was singing and because some of the time he didn't know what he was going to sing. Obviously, if you've got people there, they are all going to make suggestions and the whole thing tends to fall apart. I used to stay because I was doing some of the singing with him and I suppose he thought I wouldn't put a spanner in the works.

Bob Potter was our first producer on 'Foxtrot' and he'd just worked with Dylan and Bob Johnson. However he didn't really like our music and made no bones about it. A week later, he'd gone. Then we had another bloke, Tony Platt, who was an Island engineer and we didn't get on too well with him either. John Burns and Dave Hitchcock were the next two, Dave Hitchcock being a Charisma suggestion and John Burns another Island engineer. John actually really liked the band. He liked us as individuals and was also keen to put a bit of funk into the album.

PETER: 'Supper's Ready' was a gamble. There was some resistance in the band over the length of it, people were very nervous about it. We were taking risks with stuff that we knew was likely to be uncommercial, which wasn't guaranteed to get radio-play and which was probably going to get knocked in reviews.

TONY: I feel very close to 'Foxtrot' as I had a lot to do with the music on it. 'Watcher Of The Skies' is a good example. There was just something about the first two chords of that song which gave it instant atmosphere. We used it to open the show, this was in the days of the ultra-violet lights and the dry ice - before all that became a cliche - and it didn't matter what you played for the next four numbers, the atmosphere it created could not be destroyed.

TONY: Mike and I wrote the lines to 'Watcher Of The Skies' in Naples at the back of a hotel, staring out over this landscape. It was totally deserted. It was incredible. We had the idea of an alien coming down to the planet and seeing this world where obviously there had once been life and yet there was not one human being to be seen.

PHIL: Our songs were based on fantasies or mythology or whatever, yet the words to 'Get 'Em Out By Friday' are as relevant today as they were then. I think that this song was the only piece of social comment that we ever did.

STEVE: On 'Foxtrot', I still had a slight inferiority complex as I felt that I wasn't contributing enough to the band. I remember saying, 'Don't you really feel that I ought to leave because I am not writing as much as the rest of you'. Anyway they reassured me by complimenting my guitar playing - which was the first time I really got any feedback from them. I had an unaccompanied piece on the album called 'Horizons'. It wasn't just a concession to me, it was something that they all liked. I did get more material onto that album than on the previous one, but I was always unhappy with myself as a fledgling songwriter. I felt that I could do more. I think it wasn't until 'Selling England By The Pound' that I felt that I'd fully developed as an electric guitarist.

TONY: After we'd finished our previous albums, I thought, 'This is not as good as it should be' and yet I was very happy with 'Foxtrot'. I really didn't think there was a weak song on it.

А мне у Генезис нравится "Selling England by the pound", ну вот всё в этом альбоме супер!Так сказать вершина "классического состава"
На бутлегзоне видел бутлег по студийным тейкам-вот бы его послушать....

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2Gene:

>Там море бутлегов Genesis, включая - глазам не
>поверил! - Genesis & Gabriel- The Lamb Woke Up
>Again (1982)

В 1993 году я ттакой Итальянский CD (двойной) видел в продаже, 40 гринов.
С собой было меньше, потом пришел и уже нету его.

На GENESIS билеты купил. Будем с женой слухать.
А кто уних на разогреве будет? Целый час-полтора.
Genesis играет с 20 до 22.30.

2Irika:

>Genesis играет с 20 до 22.30.

В каком месте земного шара?

2Pataphisist:

>В каком месте земного шара?
Финляндия

2Pataphisist:

>Попалась мне группа Supper's Ready. Давно не
>получал такого удовольствия.
>Это, разумеется, не Genesis, но ребята играют
>великолепно, а по настроению это очень близко
>к Genesis времен Trick of the Tail и Wind and
>Wuthering. В общем, здорово! Попозже выложу скан диска.
ща послухаю.. У меня они уже год в непрослушанном лежат (Luxemburg Listen To The Pictures )

гм. обложка такая корявая. послушаем что там намузицировали..
А ты Twin Age, Moongarden, Theatre слыхал?
Вот там стопроцентово дженезисовское.. Ну правда с Раелем и рядом не стояли.. Тебе, я так понял, Раель не нужен, да?

прослушал три песни. неплохая группа на на дженезис ни по стилю ни по духу не похожа.
а третья вещь(латинская) послухай там гитара(не солирующая) как у п. фриппа

2Pataphisist:
вот прослушал более внимательно(вчера на компе, сегодня на полную мощу на колоночках)
что сказать? Группа неплохая. Но ни дух, ни стиль к дженезису никакого отношения не имеют. В третьей вещи, в конце, вообще вокалист фальшивит. Единственно похожая на дженезис-это восьмая песенка, и то, до проигрыша. Проигрыш мне напомнил Айрон Мейден(поверслейв)
Группа с явно выраженной гитарой, как у Латимера(Кемел) и скорее она ближе к кемел, чем к дженезису. Потом сакс меня раздражает(ну тембр сакса, как у Мела Коллинза из КыСы :) )
Некая схожесть есть с группой Плакбенд(с ранними работами) Сейчас Plackband называют голландским Дженезисом. Действительно группа просто шикарная. А на ДВД дык исполняют Габриелевскую Ред Рейн и Дженезисовскую Капет кровлс. Просто крышу сносит.
Кстати, из-за подобного противного саксофона я ненавижу и предпоследний Cast(альбом Nimbus)

2Жэка:

Ага-ага. если учесть, что слово Plackband я слышу впервые, то мне есть с чем сравнивать.-)))
А Supper's Ready группа классная. Они мне и понравились тем, что не косят под Genesis, как тот же Citizen Cain, а играют свое, но близкое по настроению к тому, о чем я написал.

2Жэка:

>гм. обложка такая корявая. послушаем что там намузицировали..
>А ты Twin Age, Moongarden, Theatre слыхал?

Ничего из списка.

2Pataphisist:

>2Жэка:
>Ага-ага. если учесть, что слово Plackband я слышу
>впервые, то мне есть с чем сравнивать.-)))
>А Supper's Ready группа классная. Они мне и понравились
>тем, что не косят под Genesis, как тот же Citizen
>Cain, а играют свое, но близкое по настроению
>к тому, о чем я написал.
ну ситизен закосили только в одном альбоме.. да так, что хоть ставь в один ряд между Nursery Crime и фокстротом.
Первый диск у них вообще не похож на дженезис, второй похож на мариллион, третий, как уже писал-на Дженезис, а четвёртый и пятый опять своё. и посему я люблю только два диска, тот что мариллионовский и дженезисовский
Да, всё забываю спросить, а IQ тебе нравится?
Если да, то какие именно?

2Жэка:

>Да, всё забываю спросить, а IQ тебе нравится?
>Если да, то какие именно?

Мне нравятся "Nomzamo", “Are You Sitting Comfortably”, в этом духе.

Пришло сегодня с автографами Стива.-)))

И здесь.

2Pataphisist:

>2Жэка:
>>Да, всё забываю спросить, а IQ тебе нравится?
>>Если да, то какие именно?
>Мне нравятся "Nomzamo", “Are You Sitting Comfortably”,
>в этом духе.
мама мия. Самые отстойные и попсовые диски. Это именно два диска где поёт Пауль Менель.В 93 году вернулся Питер Ничолс(до Менеля он тоже был)вот тогда и пошли шедевры. Начал тебе писать Rael, Moongarden 96.97бЗдфслифтвб Grey lady Dawn94,glass hammer lex rex,flamborough head 2000, Cross 2000,clepsydra2001,cryptic vission,Cast-lagacy,Twin Age96.97.Theatre, strangerfish
если что то из этого есть -сообщи
А тебе, я так понял, Хакетт сольный нравится?
Мне два первых и два последних

вот начал писать список групп, кто на кого похож.
Но как всегда обосрали-поэтому продолжения не писал.
может тебе интересно будет
CYAN -Marillion
AGENESS - IQ/Genesis
ARACHNOID-Genesis/Vandergraaf
ANEKDOTEN-King Crimson
ASGARD -немножко на Genesis/ Marillion
ARENA95-96 немного на Genesis/ Marillion
AMENOPHIS - Genesis/ King Crimson
ANGLAGARD- King Crimson / Genesis
ASIA MINOR -Camel
ANIMATOR- Marillion
ANGE - King Crimson
ARS NOVA-ELP
ANYONES DAUGHTER79.80-Genesis/Eloy/Pink Floyd
ACQUA FRAGILE-Genesis/PFM
APOCALYPSE -Marillion
AD INFINITIUM Yes/Genesis
ACIDENTE-Iluvatar/Marillion
AUFKLARUNG-Asgard
ATLAS -Genesis
AELIAN-Yes/ Marillion
ANTHONY PHILLIPS-первых три диска на Genesis
BABYLON - Genesis
BOOK OF HOURS- King Crimson
BIG BIG TRAIN- Pink Floyd/Citizen Cain/Marillion
TOMAS BODIN-Genesis
BELLAPHON -Camel(early)
BLUE SHIFT-Yes
BIRTH CONTROL-Gentle Giant
CITIZEN CAIN 92- Marillion/Genesis
CITIZEN CAIN-94- Genesis/ Marillion
CAST немножко от Genesis/ Marillion
COLLAGE - Marillion
SATELLITE -COLLAGE/Marillion
CRUCIBLE-Genesis|Rush
CLIFFHANGER -Echolyn/Marillion/Genesis/Gentle Giant/Ritual/Strangefish
CLEPSYDRA-Marillion
SHAKARY -CLEPSYDRA/Marillion
CAMEL уже не Pink Floyd, но Ещё и не Genesis :)
CAP-Jethro Tull/Marillion
CAFEINE- Yes/Genesis/Camel/Marillion
CRACK-Genesis/PFM
CASTANARC-Pendragon/Pink Floyd
CHRONOS MUNDI-Marillion
CROSS-Genesis/Camel/Marillion/Genesis/Pink Floyd
CIRCLE OF FAIRIES-Marillion/Genesis
CATHEDRAL78-Genesis
CATHEDRAL92.93- IQ
CHANDELIER-IQ/Pendragon/Marillion
CACTUS PEYOTES -CLIFFHANGER/Marillion
DRAMA-Marillion/IQ/Yes
DISTILLENE DI MALTO-Yes/Genesis/Camel/Jethro Tull
DEVIL DOLL -King Diamond/Marillion/Gabriel/Cooper
DORAGOR -Marillion/IQ/Jadis
DEADWOOD FOREST-Sinkadus/Spocks Beard/Genesis
DOGMA- IQ/Pendragon/Marillion
DRACMA IQ/Genesis/Marillion




DISCIPLINE -Genesis/Yes/King Crimson
MATTHEW PARMENTER -Vandergraaf generator/Camel
DEEP THOUGHT-Pink Floyd/Marillion
THE DECEMBER PIOPLE -yes/Kansas/Deep Purple
DRAGONFLY -Yes/Genesis
DRUID -Yes/Genesis
EZRA WINSTON -Genesis
ELOY(77-82) -Pink Floyd/Genesis
EAS-Marillion/Iluvatar
EASTER ISLAND- Yes/Genesis/Gentle Giant/King Crimson
ELEGANT SIMPLECITI-Marillion/IQ
EPIDAURUS 77- Genesis
EPIDAURUS 84- Camel
ECHOLYN -Marillion/Gentle Giant
FLAMBOROUGHT HEAD(1998-2000)- Genesis/Marillion
FINAL CONFLICT-Iluvatar/Pink Floyd
FRUITCAKE -Marillion/Sincadus/IQ/Pendragon/Anglagard/White Willow
STOLT RONIE-Genesis/Yes/Pink Floyd
FLOWER KINGS(95-2000) -Genesis/Yes
FOR ABSENT FRIEND- Clepsydra
FINISTERRE -Genesis/Pink Floyd
FOXTROT -Camel
FORGOTTEN SUNS-Genesis/Marillion/King Crimson
FIREBALLET 75- Genesis
FIREBALLET 76- Gentle Giant
GUILLAUME DE LA PILIERE - King Crimson/Genesis
GRAND STAND-Genesis/Flower Kings
GREY LADY DAWN -Marillion
GALLEON - Genesis/ELP
GERARD- ELP/UK
GLASSHAMMER-Genesis/Yes/Pink Floyd
GRYPHON-Jethro Tull/Malibran/Genesis
GROBSCHNITT- Pink Floyd/Genesis/Eloy
HALLOWEEN -King Crimson
HOWEVER -Gentle Giant
HARMONIUM ни на кого не похожи, но группа классная
HANDS-Yes|Genesis
H2O- King Crimson/Genesis
HADDAD -Marillion
HECENIA -Genesis
HAGEN-Fruitcake/Pink Floyd
HOUSE OF USER-Marillion
HIGH WHEEL -Echolyn/Gentle Giant/Pink Floyd
HAPPY THE MAN-King Crimson/Genesis/Yes
IQ-Genesis
IZZ-Marillion/King Crimson
ILUVATAR- Kansas/Marillion
ISOPODA -Genesis
INES- Asgard/IQ
IN NOMINE -IQ/Rush
IL CASTELLO DI ATLANTE -King Crimson/Genesis
INQUIRE -Marillion/Genesis
INDEX - Marillion/Genesis
IL TRONO DEI RICORDI- Marillion/Genesis
INFINITY- Echolyn/Gentle Giant
JEAN PIERE ALARCEN- Procol Harum
JOSE LUIS FERNANDEZ LEDASMA Q -IQ/Pendragon
JADIS -Arena/Pendragon
JANISON EDGE -Landmarq/Camel/Marillion
KAYAK-Camel/Procol Harum
KARNATAKA -Marillion/Renesance
KNIGHT AREA -Ayreon :-)
KINO -Pink Floyd/Marillion/Porcupine Tree
KERS PINK - Genesis/Marillion/Gryphon
KAIPA-Genesis/Yes



KYRIE ELEISON только один единственный диск(Live) -Genesis
LANDMARQ
LOCANDA DELLE FATE-Genesis/Marillion
LUNAR CHATEAU -ELP
LAKE-Procol Harum
LA TULIPE NOIRE - Marillion/Pink Floyd
LOS CANARIOS - Genesis/King Crimson
LIKE WENDY - Procol Harum
LEVIATHAN-Marillion/Genesis
MARILLION-Genesis
MORIA FALLS - Marillion/Arena
MORIA FALLS - ELP
MAGNUM только первый 1978 - чистый Yes @Drama@
MAGELLAN -Yes/Genesis/Jethro Tull
MEDICINE MAN -Marillion/Moria Falls
MONA LISA-Genesis
MUGEN только первый 1984г -Genesis
MAGENTA- Genesis/Yes
MENTAUR - Marillion/Genesis
MALIBRAN -Genesis/Jethro Tull/Gryphon
MIRAGE -Camel
MIND GALLERY - IQ/Camel/ELP
MIRTHRANDIR- Genesis/Marillion
MOSTLY AUTUMN -Pink Floyd
MAXOPHONE - Yes/Genesis
METAMORPHOSIS - Genesis/Pink Floyd
MONTEFELTRO -Genesis/Marillion
METAPHOR - Genesis/Marillion
MANGALA VALLIS -Genesis
MOONGARDEN -Theatre/Genesis/Marillion
MACHIAVEL-Genesis и чуточку на Supertramp
MULTYSTORY -Marillion
ULYSSES -Moria Falls/Pendragon
NO NAME -Marillion
NATHAN MAHL - Marillion/Genesis/Gentle Giant
NORTH STAR - Marillion/Genesis
NAOS- Marillion
NАW -Yes/Marillion
NIGHTWINDS- Yes/Genesis
THE WATCH-Genesis/THE NIGHT WATCH
THE NIGHT WATCH - Genesis
NEUSCHWANSTEIN - Genesis
NEW EDEN ORCHESTRA - Clepsydra/Marillion/Saga
NYL /Russia/ -Clepsydra/Marillion
NEXUS- ELP/Marillion/UK/Genesis
OMNI -Camel
OSIRIS - Camel/Pink Floyd/Genesis
ODYSSICE -Camel/Marillion
OS MUTANTES -Genesis/Yes
PALLAS -Marillion
P.F.M. -Genesis/VDGG\KC
PENDRAGON - Pink Floyd/Genesis
PAGEANT - Genesis
PENTWATER - Genesis/Yes/KC
PENTACLE -King Crimson/Genesis
PICTURES - Marillion
QUIDAM - Genesis/Pink Floyd/Camel
PAR LINDH PROJECT -ELP/King Crimson
POCOS & NUVENS - Yes/Marillion
PLACKBAND -Genesis
RITUAL -Cliffhanger/Echolyn/led Zeppelin
ROCKET SCIENTISTS - Echolyn/Eloy
RAEL -Genesis
RETROHEAD-Genesis/Pink Floyd/Flower Kings
ROUSSEAU -Camel
RPWL-Genesis/Pink Floyd/
RAISON DE PLUS -Marillion
REFUGEE - Yes/Genesis