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When I was lonely and scared
I nearly fell for a TV preacher
In a hotel room in Tokyo
Oh only you truly saved me from that suicide
Because all the things
I die along with you

Remember the time
When I went to jump out of that apartment window
On the west side of town of old New York
Oh only you saved me from that suicide
Because of all my foolish pride
Well if I could thank you, thank you
For saving my soul with your true love

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Did John Lennon *really* write this?

Yes. He became a Christian for a short time.

Two new books on John Lennon claim that the ex-Beatle experienced a brief period as a born-again Christian during the 1970s. While living the life of a virtual recluse in New York's Dakota Building, Lennon became an avid viewer of American TV evangelists and, at some point during 1977, declared that he had been saved. Robert Rosen in Nowhere Man: The Final Days of John Lennon (published in June by Soft Skull Press) cites Billy Graham as the main influence, whereas Geoffrey Giuliano in Lennon in America (published in June by Cooper Square Press) mentions both Graham and Pat Robertson. Both agree that the period, during which Lennon peppered his everyday conversation with "Praise the Lord" and "Thank you, Jesus," was brief. Giuliano says it lasted for "a matter of months." Rosen suggests it was "about two weeks."

We have been taking a look at the impact of John Lennon from a christian perspective. Though he was indeed a very gifted man, obviously he put those gifts to the service of the sexual revolution, as well as Atheism, the plague of the drug revolution, and the sixties rebellion against Judeo Christian standards and norms in the west.

One of the lessons we can take from this study, is that none of us is an island, we influence each other, for good or evil. There are many who say, “why judge Lennon? He was a musician, an entertainer, thats all!”.

Lennon was much more than an entertainer, he was in fact a philosopher. Many of the rock stars of the sixties and seventies were philosophers. Their lyrics, costumes, music style, even the public persona all convey a philosophy. This age of mass media communication has afforded these philosophers a wide hearing by impressionable young minds.

The Philosophers that have the widest effect in our day are the film makers and much of the popular musicians. Through their mediums, they induce whole generations into various streams of philosophy;such as humanistic, Atheistic, Eastern religion, hedonism, Nihilism,pop psychology, etc. True is the saying, “I care not who writes the laws in a society, let me write the songs and my influence shall prevail.”

But it became apparent in the early 1970′s ,that John Lennon’s own personal philosophy left him empty. The drug use he advocated, the sex without love, Atheism, hedonism, all of it left Lennon more than empty as this article from the Christianity Today website attests:

“Next came one of the most extraordinary turnabouts in John’s life. A television addict for many years (it was his way of looking at the world since he could no longer walk around anonymously), he enjoyed watching some of America’s best-known evangelists—Pat Robertson, Billy Graham, Jim Bakker, and Oral Roberts. In 1972 he had written a desperate letter to Roberts confessing his dependence on drugs and his fear of facing up to “the problems of life.” He expressed regret that he had said that the Beatles were more popular than Jesus and enclosed a gift for the Oral Roberts University. After quoting the line “money can’t buy me love” from “Can’t Buy Me Love” he said, “It’s true. The point is this, I want happiness. I don’t want to keep on with drugs. Paul told me once, ‘You made fun of me for taking drugs, but you will regret it in the end.’ Explain to me what Christianity can do for me. Is it phoney? Can He love me? I want out of hell.”

Here we see a glimpse of a more vulnerable John Lennon than the hedonistic,peace loving, hard as nails radical atheist image that the world celebrates today. Lennon’s regret about the blasphemies he had committed in earlier days, his confession that Love and happiness had eluded him, and note the last two statements to Oral Roberts,

Can He (Jesus) Love me?

I want out of Hell!

This is John Lennon the man made in the Image of God, emptied of joy and life by the vanity of his lifestyle, trapped in a velvet hell of fame,luxury , and even worship, married to a literal witch who controlled his life, and wanting a way out. Could Jesus love him? Jesus died for Him!!!

Oral Roberts wrote back, evidently, sending him a book on “Seed Faith”, and an account of the gospel. We don’t hear that much more of any stirrings of Lennon’s christian yearnings until 1977. That was the year Franco Zefferrelli produced a made for Television mini series called Jesus of Nazareth.

Lennon was so moved by the film, he confessed to a conversion to Christ! Here is how Christianity Today website recounts the story;

This correspondence and his exposure to TV evangelism didn’t appear to have any effect until he suddenly announced to close friends in the spring of 1977 that he’d become a born-again Christian. He had been particularly moved by the U.S. television premiere of Franco Zeffirelli’s Jesus of Nazareth, starring Robert Powell as Jesus, which NBC showed in two three-hour segments on Palm Sunday, April 3, 1977. A week later, on Easter day, he took Yoko and Sean to a local church service.Over the following months he baffled those close to him by constantly praising “the Lord,” writing Christian songs with titles like “Talking with Jesus” and “Amen” (the Lord’s Prayer set to music), and trying to convert non believers. He also called the prayer line of The 700 Club, Pat Robertson’s program. (excerpted from The Gospel According to the Beatles by Steve Turner, published by Westminster John Knox Press, 2006. )

This would prove to be a brief phase, unfortunately for Lennon. By 1979 he was seeking deeply into the occult,being heavily influenced by Yoko Ono away from Christianity. His unpublished song “You Saved My Soul” was about being saved from the influence of a TV preacher.

God alone knows what ultimately became of John Lennon’s soul. It very well could be that in the closing minutes of his life he called upon the saving mercy of God. God is a God of mercy, remember the thief on the cross? If Lennon lingered in death, we have to figure that this was God’s mercy, giving him yet another chance to turn in faith to the Jesus that appealed to him in 1977.

Jesus died for Lennon’s sins as He died for mine and yours. Like Lennon there is a battle raging for the soul of every man. Neutrality towards God is impossible, indifference towards Jesus is the ultimate sin.In closing Lennon is an illustration of the well know words of our Lord and Saviour,

“What does it profit to gain the whole world and lose your soul, and what would a man give in exchange for his soul?”

Wearing cross

2dalobov:

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>Did John Lennon *really* write this?
>Yes. He became a Christian for a short time.
>Two new books on John Lennon claim that the ex-Beatle
>experienced a brief period as a born-again Christian
>during the 1970s. While living the life of a virtual
>recluse in New York's Dakota Building, Lennon
>became an avid viewer of American TV evangelists
>and, at some point during 1977, declared that
>he had been saved. Robert Rosen in Nowhere Man:
>The Final Days of John Lennon (published in June
>by Soft Skull Press) cites Billy Graham as the
>main influence, whereas Geoffrey Giuliano in Lennon
>in America (published in June by Cooper Square
>Press) mentions both Graham and Pat Robertson.
>Both agree that the period, during which Lennon
>peppered his everyday conversation with "Praise
>the Lord" and "Thank you, Jesus," was brief. Giuliano
>says it lasted for "a matter of months." Rosen
>suggests it was "about two weeks."

Did John Lennon *really* write this?

Yes. He became a Christian for a short time.

Two new books on John Lennon claim that the ex-Beatle experienced a brief period as a born-again Christian during the 1970s. While living the life of a virtual recluse in New York's Dakota Building, Lennon became an avid viewer of American TV evangelists and, at some point during 1977, declared that he had been saved. Robert Rosen in Nowhere Man: The Final Days of John Lennon (published in June by Soft Skull Press) cites Billy Graham as the main influence, whereas Geoffrey Giuliano in Lennon in America (published in June by Cooper Square Press) mentions both Graham and Pat Robertson. Both agree that the period, during which Lennon peppered his everyday conversation with "Praise the Lord" and "Thank you, Jesus," was brief. Giuliano says it lasted for "a matter of months." Rosen suggests it was "about two weeks."

Both writers have based their information on sources close to Lennon and on the singer's personal diaries, which circulated shortly after his death and were then retrieved by his widow, Yoko Ono. The existence of the diaries has been known for some time, but so far no writer has divulged their contents. Because of legal problems, neither Rosen nor Giuliano has been able to quote directly from the diaries, but both have drawn on the information.

"One day [Lennon] had an epiphany-he allowed himself to be touched by the love of Jesus Christ, and it drove him to tears of joy and ecstasy," writes Rosen, a New York journalist briefly employed by Ono. "He drew a picture of a crucifix; he was born again, and the experience was such a kick that he had to share it with Yoko."

Giuliano, who has written extensively about the Beatles, pinpoints the conversion to a Palm Sunday and says that Lennon was so moved by a series about Jesus broadcast on Robertson's CBN that he broke down in tears. In the following weeks, he attended church services and took his son, Sean, to a Christian theater performance. He even called The 700 Club help line to request prayer for his health and troubled marriage. "He prayed for forgiveness when he stepped on insects or snapped at the maid," Giuliano writes. "He became convinced that Jesus was personally protecting Sean."

Ono, whose first husband Anthony Cox became an evangelical Christian in the1970s, was displeased with Lennon's changed outlook. Giuliano claims that Lennon began to challenge her interest in the occult and was disappointed that she wouldn't join him in watching Graham's telecasts. "This dramatic conversion worried Yoko," Giuliano writes. "She feared that John's new faith would clash with her own ideas about spiritualism and threaten her iron hold over him."

In the end Ono won. In his final years, the man best known for his lines "Imagine there's no heaven / It's easy if you try" was living a life dictated by astrologers, numerologists, clairvoyants, psychics, herbalists, and tarot-card readers.

The one song that Lennon wrote during his born-again period has never been released. "You Saved My Soul," which recounts being prevented from attempting suicide while staying in a Tokyo hotel, is known only to Beatles bootleggers.

Two years later, Lennon wrote a parody of Bob Dylan's "Gotta Serve Somebody" in which he urged his listeners to believe in no one but themselves-a line he had peddled on his first solo release in 1970. According to Rosen in Nowhere Man, Lennon wrote the song in Palm Beach after seeing the newly converted Dylan on a Grammy Awards TV broadcast.

Rosen writes that "Serve Yourself" was "a wrathful protest bristling with fury and despair." ("You got to serve yourself / Nobody gonna do it for you / You may believe in devils / You may believe in laws / But you know you're gonna to have to serve yourself.") Unlike the other Beatles, Lennon was raised as a nominal Christian and attended Sunday school at St. Peter's Church in Woolton, Liverpool. This early exposure to Christianity may explain why he always seemed to regard Jesus as a figure who had to be dealt with, whether through comparison ("The Beatles are more popular than Jesus"), identification ("They're gonna crucify me," in "Ballad of John and Yoko"), or challenge ("I don't believe in Jesus," in "God"). Where his contemporaries ignored Jesus, Lennon had to continually take him on.

In his final interviews, carried out just weeks before his death in December1980, Lennon said his beliefs could be described as "Zen Christian, Zen pagan, Zen Marxist" or nothing at all.
Speaking to Newsweek's Barbara Graustark, however, Lennon revealed that he still read the Bible. "Some of [Christ's parables] are only making sense to me now, after a whole life of sitting in church or school," he told her. "It was just moany, moany, moany for years, and then I hear it again and I think, God, that's what he means."

Source(s):

http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/13647.htm

...типа все англичане...

Могу перевести в кратце, извиняюсь. Просто копирайт… легче конечно и оригинальные слова объективней :)

Леннон - образцовый христианин!

2 dalobov:...Могу перевести в кратце, извиняюсь.

Не стоит извинений, но хотя бы в двух-трех предложениях, о чем собственно речь?

Речь о том, что якобы в 1977 году Леннон месяц был христианином.

Вполне в духе Джона. Месяц - христианином, месяц - индуистом, месяц - атеистом. Увлекающийся пацан был...

2Eric:

>Речь о том, что якобы в 1977 году Леннон месяц
>был христианином.
А потом что - отлучили от церкви?

Да не, отправил крест в канцелярию. С припиской, что альбом Shaved Fish опускается в хит-парадах

Крест он Зыкиной подарил))

Да нет, это ей Кобзон в бане крест подарил

Надоело читать всякую белиберду,высосаную из пальца.Привязаную,точнее притянутую за уши к их именам.

Речь идет о том становился ли Леннон по-настоящему верущими в Бога на каком-то этапе свей жизни. Христианином он был априори, как любой русский автоматически есть православный христианин, не зависимо от того верит в Бога он/она или нет. Как араб рожденный в Египте автоматически есть мусульманин, так и любой рожденный в Англии (Европе,США) есть изначально христианин. В США ок. 70% населения верят в Бога, причем не ради традиции, а на самом деле.

Вы часом не JohnLenin?

2andykon:

>Речь идет о том становился ли Леннон по-настоящему
>верущими в Бога на каком-то этапе свей жизни.
>Христианином он был априори, как любой русский
>автоматически есть православный христианин, не
>зависимо от того верит в Бога он/она или нет.
>Как араб рожденный в Египте автоматически есть
>мусульманин, так и любой рожденный в Англии (Европе,США)
>есть изначально христианин.

Ну не фига себе!

Любой русский - православный христианин? Это точно?

2VadLit:

>2Eric:
>>Речь о том, что якобы в 1977 году Леннон месяц
>>был христианином.
>А потом что - отлучили от церкви?

Да нет, возможно, месяц считал себя христианином, затем перестал считать себя христианином.

2VadLit:

>Любой русский - православный христианин? Это точно?

А, ну тогда Леннон точно православный христианин.

2andykon:

>Речь идет о том становился ли Леннон по-настоящему
>верущими в Бога на каком-то этапе свей жизни.
>Христианином он был априори

Априори он был безрелигиозным. Человек рождается безрелигиозным. Принадлежать к какой-либо религии он начинает, когда сам себя начинает считать приверженцем какой-либо религии.

>как любой русский
>автоматически есть православный христианин, не
>зависимо от того верит в Бога он/она или нет

C вами по этому поводу ОЧЕНЬ многие не согласятся ))))

>Как араб рожденный в Египте автоматически есть
>мусульманин, так и любой рожденный в Англии (Европе,США)
>есть изначально христианин.

Да не так это!

>В США ок. 70% населения
>верят в Бога, причем не ради традиции, а на самом деле.

Верить в Бога не значит быть христианином.

Рилигиозьний срачь!

Я не сильно врубился что там по-английски написано, но похоже, очередной бред. Либо аффтар сей новости меры не знает в употреблении стимулирующих веществ, либо Джон чего-то ляпнул с кислотного бодуна, а журнализды как всегда раздули. Я вот в Бога верю. Но православным я себя не считаю, хоть меня и крестили в детстве. И кто же я такой?

Джон Леннон был болтуном, за что и поплатился.

Ой, если бы все болтуны поплатились... Просто трагедия произошла.

Леннон - не просто болтун был, а самый натуральный мирдверьмяч.

2Flaming Rain:

>Рилигиозьний срачь!

Провокационная тема, в таких я банюсь.

2VadLit:

Я вот в Бога
>верю. Но православным я себя не считаю, хоть меня
>и крестили в детстве. И кто же я такой?

Покайтесь!

У всех Бог в душе,даже у атеистов.Что тут обсуждать?

Был ли Леннон примерным семьянином? Интересная инфа.

Был ли Леннон вообще? Интересная инфа.

2Rollingbeatle:

>Был ли Леннон вообще? Интересная инфа.

))

2andykon:

>так и любой рожденный в Англии (Европе,США) есть
>изначально христианин.
А кто есть араб, рожденный в Европе или США?

2andykon:

>любой русский автоматически есть православный христианин

даже если он родился не в православной семье?

Вообще, всякий родившийся на этой планете - православный христианин!

Он сам себя называл христианином, о чем речь вообще.

Кем он только себя не называл....