В последние дни (когда радиостанции стали потихоньку получать сэмплеры, а "персоны ин бизнес" - настоящие боксы) количество спекуляций на тему возросло невообразимым образом.. Есть предложение :-) - "морально заморозить" сию ветку (только скупые вопросы/факты)! Поскольку и далее следовать нагнетаемому ажиотажу (читай: лишь "слухам") - нет никаких сил. Пусть сама машина сделает свое дело.
P.S. По вопросам "Мне не терпится...", "Где можно скачать?" и др.: Неужели вы никогда не сдерживали себя, уже зная, что подарок лежит "где-то в мамином шкафу"? Разве это не здорово - "обнажить" его непосредственно утром в День рождения? ;-)
Currently listening to: RS Emotional Rescue
Re: Ну что, дождались! 9 сентября выходит ремастированный каталог The Beatles! Автор:stonedДата: 26.08.09 14:47:55
>Коллеги, мог бы кто-нибудь кратко пересказать >о чём там речь?
Касательно стерео (бокс и отдельные диски): 1) Официально подтверждено, что Help! и Rubber Soul - используют цифровые миксы Мартина 86-87 гг. (тем не менее, оригинальные будут доступны на дисках моно-бокса); 2) Paul Hicks: "... если это было стерео - мы оставили стерео, если это было моно - мы оставили это моно ..." Это говорит о том, что Love Me Do, P.S. I Love You, I'll Get You и She Loves You будут представлены в моно-миксе; 3) я не настолько битловод, чтобы знать и помнить, сколькИ-дорожечные мастеры имеются для того или иного альбома, но похоже, что в проекте использовались существующие *только стерео* миксы (никаких мульти-треков, в отличие от Rock Band, кстати ;-)
Касательно моно (бокса): Paul Hicks: "... если это было стерео - мы оставили стерео, если это было моно - мы оставили это моно ..." Подтверждено, что мы услышим настоящие дорожки Yellow Submarine: Only A Northern Song, All Together Now, Hey Bulldog, It's All Too Much;
Пространные суждения о "куда более современном оборудовании", "ограничениях, применявшихся только по необходимости и очень осторожно" (читай: где только возможно и.. как сегодня принято :-| )
Re: Ну что, дождались! 9 сентября выходит ремастированный каталог The Beatles! Автор:stonedДата: 22.08.09 11:04:39
Кому интересно послушать - вчера вечером на амазоне появилось интервью с Allan Rouse и Paul Hicks: http://www.amazon.com/gp/entity/The-Beatles/B000APTK6K/B000APTK6K Справа: Listen for Free, PODCAST SPECIAL: ... Первые два трека - 2х10 минут интервью (моно/стерео, где какие миксы, почему такой EQ и т.п. + ряд "повторений")
Re: Ну что, дождались! 9 сентября выходит ремастированный каталог The Beatles! Автор:stonedДата: 19.08.09 17:56:29
In addition to the stereo remasters, the team assembled a box set, The Beatles in Mono, which collects every existing mono mix of the band's music. It's the first time that the mono mixes of Sgt. Pepper, the White album, and Magical Mystery Tour have been released on CD. (Confusingly, the 1987 CD releases of the Beatles' first four albums - Please Please Me, With the Beatles, A Hard Day's Night, and Beatles for Sale - used the mono mixes. The new releases will use the stereo ones instead, with the monos relegated to the box set.)
The mono versions are no mere curiosity. They can be radically different, to the point where there's entirely different vocal effects on, say, "Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds" - and rock songs like "Helter Skelter" hit with a revelatory, garage-y force. Up until Abbey Road, the Beatles themselves focused almost entirely on mono versions. "In the main, we thought mono," McCartney says, noting that the band spent weeks on the mono mix of Sgt. Pepper, and then left the stereo to George Martin and engineer Geoff Emerick. "The stereo mix wasn't really important to us - we figured, well, you just spread the mono."
Some Beatles fans will be eager to compare the new remasters to their original vinyl - but while the engineers did make their own comparisons to the LPs, matching them wasn't the point. "No one's heard the master tapes apart from us," says Guy Massey, one of the engineers. "And you have to remember some of the limitations of vinyl - they had to cut some of the low end off to master it." Adds Rouse, "These releases are closer to the master tape than you've heard before."
McCartney judges the reissues by an even higher standard. "It sounds like it did in the room when we recorded it," he says. "We had this pure sound, then the minute it goes down a bunch of wires it's going to get ****ed up to some degree. So now it sounds like I'm back in the room, in the session."
The remastered albums come with new liner notes and mini making-of documentaries. After the outtakes-filled Anthology release, the Beatles are reluctant to dig deeper into the vaults - which include hundreds of hours of unreleased recordings, from unheard Beatles tracks to early versions of tracks that ended up on solo records. "George Harrison and I were joking when we did Anthology - we were saying, you know, the next album should be called 'Scraping the Bottom of the Barrel," says McCartney. "Because there is that element to it like, 'Come on, guys, ****, we made all these Beatles records sound lovely and shiny and terrific, and now we're looking for the outtake that got away.'" Still, there is material McCartney would like to release, including "Now and Then," an extra Anthology-era song that (like "Free as a Bird") found Harrison, McCartney, and Starr adding to a John Lennon recording. "George didn't like it - basically, he didn't think it was good enough," says McCartney.
McCartney admits he's no audiophile. "I can listen to a record on the radio on the beach and it sounds OK to me," he says, sitting in Abbey Road studios, where he's co-producing a new album by his son James' band, The Light. "I'm probably the least tech person in the universe, you know. And John wasn't an audiophile either. It was always George Harrison who spotted when Capitol re-EQ'd our albums [in the Sixties]." So McCartney sees the remasters in emotional terms, not technical ones. "Now I hear John and think, 'There he is,'" he says. "Like, you can almost close your eyes and you can kind of see him, because the quality is so real. So I like that about it."
Re: Ну что, дождались! 9 сентября выходит ремастированный каталог The Beatles! Автор:stonedДата: 19.08.09 17:56:01
Meet the Beatles, Again Inside Abbey Road, as the Beatles' albums get their first sonic upgrade in 22 years. By Bryan Hiatt
Ever since the Beatles' albums first appeared on CD, in 1987, fans have complained about the discs' anemic sound quality. After a 22-year wait, the caretakers of the band's legacy are finally doing something about it - with remasters of all 14 albums hitting stores on September 9th. "I remember going into a museum and seeing Winston Churchill's old papers, and they were getting yellower and crinklier," says Paul McCartney. "And what the joy for me is, our stuff is going the other way. It's getting clearer, and as long as the mixes and stuff are carefully followed, which the guys at Abbey Road do, you know it's not as if it's just a bunch of people in China doing it."
Rolling Stone's July 1987 review of the original CD releases complained that they were "shriller and more grating" than the vinyl versions. And as digital sound improved over the years, the CDs' shortcomings only became more obvious. (In contrast, the Rolling Stones' catalog has been remastered at least three times since its original release.) But it wasn't until four years ago that McCartney, Ringo Starr, and Beatle widows Yoko Ono and Olivia Harrison finally approved the idea of remasters - and a team of Abbey Road engineers (headed by Allan Rouse, who worked with George Martin on 1995's Beatles Anthology) immediately went to work.
The first step was to transfer the original master tapes - housed in "a vault with two steel doors, both with combination locks, an alarm, two cameras, and a smoke detector," says Rouse - to digital files, one song at a time. The remastering team spent much time debating how much to clean up the recordings by removing hiss and other flaws. "What we did agree was that if it was part of the Beatles' performance, we weren't going to remove it," says Rouse. "The squeaky chair at the end of 'A Day in the Life,' breaths, coughs, anything that was actually really part of the performance, those stayed. Anything that we considered to be technical - clicks, sibilance, pops, bad edits, drop-outs, hum, things that were a technical problem - we would either try and improve them, or, if possible, remove or repair them."
One of the most fraught issues was loudness. The 1987 CDs are dramatically out of step with current trends in mastering - they sound puny next to more current rock releases, which make extensive use of audio limiting to reduce dynamic range and make songs seem louder. After extensive debate, the engineers ended up using a "tiny amount" of limiting - which still had a major effect on the sound: "I Am the Walrus," the title track from Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, and other rock tunes have a newfound heft and thump. "It gave it a little lift," says Rouse.
The remasters mostly offer improvements that are subtle but noticeable. "Love Me Do," for instance, loses its dusty, distant haze of age, and "The Long and Winding Road" no longer has what Rouse described as a "muffled" quality to it. Otherwise, it's a matter of suddenly noticing details: McCartney's nimble bass line on "And Your Bird Can Sing," the vivid three-dimensionality of Starr's opening and closing hi-hat on "While My Guitar Gently Weeps," the cinematic quality of the choirs and orchestra on "Good Night."
But even before the engineers began tweaking them, the digital transfers immediately sounded better than the 1987 versions, for two reasons: Analog-to-digital converters have vastly improved since then, and they were also able to work at a higher resolution than before: specifically, 24-bit, 192 kHz, which is used in the Blu-ray audio format. At that bit rate, the engineers say, the digital version is indistinguishable from the original masters - but, alas, there are no plans yet for a Blu-ray release. ("There's plenty of time," McCartney says.)
The engineers were well aware that many listeners won't even spend much time listening in CD quality, let alone Blu-ray - they'll rip the CDs to their iPods and listen to them in lossy MP3 and AAC formats. "It's like if you clean up a painting, and then you photocopy it or something," says engineer Paul Hicks. "The thing is, it's still going to look better, even though it's a photocopy. It was definitely worth doing this, because the resolution might not be as good, but it will still be clearer and better, and hopefully there will be things people are going to hear that they haven't previously."
Re: Ну что, дождались! 9 сентября выходит ремастированный каталог The Beatles! Автор:stonedДата: 19.08.09 14:17:58
2kostya34: >Ну проводил, стою дальше на своём, вернее лежу, Я не о том :-) Сравнить предлагал, т.к. публикация реальных сэмплов пока не имела место быть. Вот и хотел удостовериться, что на cuales.fm выложены не какие-нибудь фэйки (например, бутлеги Др.) Но сейчас это уже не имеет значения (для меня) - ибо те сэмплы были mp3
Re: Игра "The Beatles: Rock Band" Автор:stonedДата: 19.08.09 14:10:10
2HE1NZ: >семплы, вот на cuales.fm звучит лучше. Дык есть много "мест, где звучит лучше" ;-) Я бы не отправлял никого на <богвестькуда.fm> до подтверждения утечки настоящих сэмплов. А пока это не факт. Точнее, пока факт, что это не так
Re: Ну что, дождались! 9 сентября выходит ремастированный каталог The Beatles! Автор:stonedДата: 18.08.09 18:25:02
Кто-нибудь уже проводил тщательнейшее и скрупулезнейшее сравнение этих сэмплов со старыми CD или, что лучше, со всеми "инкарнациями" релизов нашего Доктора? ;-)
Re: Власти Лондона решили убрать пешеходный переход, запечатленный на обложке альбома The Beatles "Abbey Road" Автор:stonedДата: 14.08.09 01:00:25
2YKS: >А если по существу: кто-нибудь копался в импортных))) >форумах? Какова там реакция на этакую новость? На ряде "импортных))) форумов" (мне доступных) эта новость не была обнаружена в принципе..
Re: Ну что, дождались! 9 сентября выходит ремастированный каталог The Beatles! Автор:stonedДата: 13.08.09 22:08:26
Не вижу смысла вспоминать, что "Осборн в первый день звучал никак", или "кто-то слажал где-то".. Просто было такое время. Там был дух. Обезумевших, не верящих своим глазам молодых и неопытных. Обнимающихся, поющих, раскачивающихся. Счастливых
Странновато-грустновато - там никто не нашел денег на празднование.. В любом случае, я уверен, многие читающее это найдут деньги на празднование юбилея здесь. А ведь осталось всего 2 дня! ;-) На правах глубокого оффтопа (не нашел соответствующей темы): Не 40.. но 20! лет Нашему Вудстоку! Отмечается вчера и сегодня! <== 12-13 августа 1989, Московский Музыкальный Фестиваль Мира
Re: Игра "The Beatles: Rock Band" Автор:stonedДата: 13.08.09 01:28:52
2Daniel Baggins: Спасибо. Раз уж речь зашла о стерео-комплекте, то недостает еще одного диска - mini documentaries dvd, ~40 мин. Моно-варианты не будут "обезображены" присутствием QuickTime "бонусов", поэтому на этот диск, как отдельный, может быть спрос ;-)
Re: Ну что, дождались! 9 сентября выходит ремастированный каталог The Beatles! Автор:stonedДата: 11.08.09 00:29:22