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Mr. Zero
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1. Про мелодизм как клеймо Маккартни я уже написал; этот ярлык не самый зазорный, но это ярлык. А без них однозначно лучше и интереснее.
Все-таки не понимаю - клеймо, ярлык... Ратуете против стереотипов и сами под их влияние попадаете.
2. На седьмом десятке лет развитие, конечно, возможно и желательно, но совершенно факультативно.
Это классно! :-)))
Маккартни, как было справедливо замечено, может себе позволить и застой и регресс. При этом я не вижу ни того ни другого; я вижу крепкую прочувствованную работу, неброскую, но со знаком качества Пола Маккартни. Есть что послушать, есть над чем подумать, есть чему удивиться. Чего же боле?
Знак качества Пола Маккартни послденее время претерпевает какие-то нехорошие изменения. Печать уже не такая четкая, смазанная какая-то.
Хотелось бы побольше удовольствия от прослушивания.
3. Я не заметил, что Джаггер так уж погнался за модой; его новая пластинка вполне традиционна. И почему сольник худший? Опять по результатам продаж? А если нет - то по какому критерию?
По так “ненавистным” вам критериям - мелодизма и запоминаемости. ;-)
4. Фразу о том, что из одной песни Маккартни можно натягать мелодий для десятка песен другому артисту, я впервые прочитал в Ровеснике в 1986 году. Это уже штамп. Давайте лучше без них. Мелодистов на самом деле много, не один Маккартни. А Ram, повторюсь, не самая совершенная его работа - хотя я тоже когда-то был болен этим альбомом.
Да дался вам этот Ram. Не придирайтесь к частностям. Раньше сахар был слаще, небо - выше, а пластинки McCartney - лучше. :-) И, кстати, я здоров.
5. А разве я писал, что без ума от ВСЕХ его релизов? Вовсе нет. Наоборот, мой первый постинг на тему новой работы гласил: "Давно уже я не слышал того Маккартни, которого люблю, и вот..."
Однако тендеция такая на форуме прослеживается - вот что я хотел сказать
6. Насчет игры в потребление я уже тоже писал.
Где? С удовольствием прочту.
За сим остаюсь
Заштампованный потребитель
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И опять же - с каких это пор эпитет "мелодист" стал для композитора зазорным "ярлыком"? |
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Резон в ваших словах, конечно, есть, кто спорит. Только я бы акценты иначе расстивил.
1. Я никогда не воспринимал музыку сольного Маккартни как новаторскую и никогда не ждал от него удивления - нет, все, чего я хочу в данному случае - мелодизма, на который он мастер. А его все меньше. И дело тут не в том, что к старым песням я привык, а к новым нет.
2. Мало быть самим собой, надо еще превосходить самого себя и развиваться. В конце концов McCartney - не какой-нибудь one hit wonder. а один из лучших композиторов последнего полувека. С него и спрос больше. Давно пора перестать за модой гоняться, уж он то мог бы себе это позволить. А то он “планировал выпустить dance album”. Нафига, извините за выражение? Для кого? Тинейждерам не угодишь все равно, а “стариков” огорчишь. Вон, Jagger погнался очередной раз за модой - и что? Худший сольник за карьеру.
3. Когда “Ram” обзывали “nadir of rock music”, его сравнивали с Beatles. Прошло время, и сейчас он числится среди лучших альбомов Пола. Никакого противоречия тут нет. Дело не в том, шедевр это или нет, просто количества мелодий, вложенных Полом в Ram, c лихвой хватило бы на всю карьеру пары современных групп. Я далек от того, чтобы обзывать песни с современных альбомов Маккартни filler-ом (или muzak-ом :->), но они просто бледнее. Не будем показывать пальцами.
4. Цифры продаж и места в хит-парадах меня вообще мало волнуют - это любимый конек Lemona.
5. Да не нужно мне новой Yesterday! Пусть себе пишет и играет что ему хочется - полное право имеет. Только не надо при этом все его альбомы признавать гениальными и суперскими. Неправильно это. Выходит вполне ординарный диск, и поднимается хай до небес - ах, очередной шедевр мастера! Вот это и есть ярлык - раз Маккартни, значит - шедевр.
5. А насчет catchy - да, люблю я это дело. Я, в конце концов, consumer, а он - producer. Правила игры такие.
В общем, крик души получился. :-))
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Да у меня слов нет! ;-)
А если серьезно - мелодии все бледнее и их общее количество на диск все меньше (сравните с RAM, к примеру, там почти из каждой "весчи" при желании можно было 3-4 отдельных сделать), слов тоже (зато ту-ту-ту и ла-ла-ла в избытке). Никто не требует от McCartney быть Циммерманом, Митчелл, Becker'ом-Fagen'ом или кем еще - кто вам больше нравится, но хоцца чего поинтересней вместо "your way is strong, your way is right oh-oh-oh-ооо..."
Конечно, былые заслуги все перекрывают без проблем, но когда ждешь catchy, а получаешь boring, остаются disappointment и легкий aftertaste. |
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Ирония тут неуместна - причем тут мы? И попробуйте убедить меня в обратном. ;-) |
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Love One Another - еще на забыли, кто сказал?
Любить Чэпмена не зову, но и ненавидеть его всеми силами души не надо. Лучше просто забудьте о его существовании. |
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Вы бы сначала между собой разобрались, кто к какому поколению принадлежит, горячие финские парни. А то кому за 40, кому 15 - и вот спорят...
Единственное бреяя (а не Крест), который несли(ут) перечисленные вами музыканты - бремя славы.
А вот у Neil'a Young'a, к примеру дети больные и у самого эпилепсия - вот это крест. Так то. |
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Последний сольник Mick-а ужасен. |
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Сorvin, а идея антологии session works Харрисона по десятилетиям не приходила в голову? Вот это было бы очень здорово. |
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Corvin, все никак не пойму - почему эта тема тебя так задевает? Все логично и понятно. С Double Fantasy то же самое было. |
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30 November 2001
I am really shocked and saddened to hear of the death of George Harrison. Along with the all of his contemporaries as well as millions throughout the world I mourn the passing of a musician whose sensitivity and spirituality touched all of us. Apart from his work with the Beatles and his important solo recordings George was one of the first in the sixties to bring the influence of Indian culture to the attention of the world thus changing the direction of western music for all time. He was also almost single handedly responsible for the resurgence of the British film industry in recent times through his Hand Made Films production company. Without his input it is unlikely that films such as The Life of Brian, Brazil, Withnail and I, Mona Lisa, A Private Function and many others would ever have been made.
I first had the privilege of working with him on the Cream Goodbye sessions and his wonderful rhythm guitar work on Badge prompted me to ask him to play on Never tell Your Mother She's Out of Tune on my first solo album, Songs For a Tailor. This he did superbly using the name L'Angelo Misterioso for contractual reasons. He took the session so seriously that he arrived at the studio an hour before anyone else in order to be prepared for the live recording!
I always felt a special empathy with him, the "Quiet Beatle" as I guess I was also the "Quiet Cream!"
Farewell George. I will miss you.
Jack Bruce
Eric Clapton declined to comment on Harrison death. |
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I am shocked and terribly saddened. I had a feeling that he would be around for a while longer. Man, What a sad, sad day!
God Bless You George. I rejoice in your transition, in your great works and music and send you Light and Love.
Be at Peace . Go with God!
with respect and Love
Dave Davies - 11/30, 12:18 pm
[Дэйв исповедует примерно ту же религию, что и Джордж - вот откуда упоминание ...rejoice in your transition...] |
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Немножко длинновато - транскрипт предачи - но все же решил запостить:
CNN NEWSNIGHT AARON BROWN
Aired November 30, 2001 - 22:00 ET
This is a live TV program. Some of the phrases people used today to remember George Harrison: a lovely man, a gentlemen, a great guy, an incredible human being. That last one was from his friend Graham Nash of Crosby, Stills and Nash, who says the big regret for him is not knowing the other songs that were in George's mind that we'll never get to hear. Graham Nash joins us now from Encino, California. Wow. You've a tough act to follow now.
Good evening. Glad to have you with us. You said at the beginning that you thought you had parallel lives. And tell me how you -- tell me what you meant.
GRAHAM NASH, MUSICIAN: Well, we both came from very humble beginnings in the north of England. We both survived World War II. We both found that -- as did many rock 'n' rollers that came from England -- that music was our salvation.
All we really had to do, you know, was to kick a ball around the street and play with your friends. And then all of sudden Lonnie Donegan (ph) comes along, who -- who is a master of skiffle -- and it was cheap guitar and everybody could do it and we could all learn three chords.
And that's what I did and that's what George did. It's what John did and Paul and everybody else that you know that came out of what was called the British Invasion. Music saved our lives. It really did.
BROWN: Is that why -- I mean, you think of it that way? It gave you -- it was the way out of whatever life would have otherwise been?
NASH: The gold watch.
BROWN: Yeah, yeah.
NASH: Yeah. Because, you know, what you were supposed to do was do what your dad did and do what his dad did. And if it was good enough your your grandfather, my God it's good enough for you, son. But our parents did not allow us to do that. So music was our escape. When we went down to -- to London, my goodness, it was like visiting a completely foreign planet. Very few people had been out of Manchester at that point, of the kind of people that we were.
BROWN: Yes.
NASH: So music really saved our lives.
BROWN: I read today where he said once -- not that long ago -- that he didn't much think of himself as a Beatle, that Beatle was a suit he wore. Talk about celebrity a little and how you think that might have affected him, how he handled it differently than the others.
NASH: Well, like I said earlier, there were people that knew George much more intimately than I did. But in observing and -- and being with him on many, many occasions -- but mostly observing him, I was astounded at the grace and the dignity with which he handled what you just referred to as his Beatle suit.
It was chaotic. It was madness. Everybody wanted to know what every Beatle wore, what they said, what they smoked, what they ate, who they slept with. They wanted to know every single thing.
And George always was able to maintain this distance from it. His reality was not in how much money that he made or famous he was. His reality was that he was communicating with his music and that of his friends and his -- and his compadres.
And it was not that important to him to be a Beatle. I think his internal process of what was happening to him was -- was played out as we all get this deck of cards to play in our lives. And George's deck was in terms of whether he was more famous or richer than anybody else, it never came into -- as far as I can see -- it never came into his being.
BROWN: Did -- did all the other guys, the people who weren't Beatles but who were making music at the time, were they going "Boy, I'd like some of that. That looks like fun?" NASH: It -- it wasn't so much as that. When, you know, I've known them in my own way since -- let me see -- 1959 or 1960. And we were playing the talent show together in Manchester. It was kind of like the Ted Mack Amateur Hour where a promotor gets a bunch of local talent and when you win you go on to the next city. And they were doing a Buddy Holly song, strangely enough, called "Think It Over."
That was the very first time that I ever saw them. They weren't even the Beatles then. But it was very obvious that they had something together where people would say, my God, you know?
I mean, I used to work at a nightclub that they came and played once. And they walked through the door -- all four of them -- and I swear to God every girl wet her knickers. And they hadn't even played a note. There was something about them that was undeniable.
BROWN: Graham Nash, it's delightful to talk to you. You did well following Lou Harrison, by the way. That wasn't an easy thing to do. Thanks for joining us.
NASH: No, it's not. Very much my pleasure, Aaron. Thank you very much.
BROWN: Thank you. Graham Nash in Encino, California. We'll be right back. We'll take you to break with George Harrison and the Traveling Wilburys. Be right back.
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А зачем хороших людей-то походя грязью обливать? >:-( |
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"George was a wonderful musician and a fine human being. He was the baby of the Beatles, unlike Paul and John, he had a hard time developing his songwriting talent and making his music alone. But he worked hard and with enormous patience, building his music meticulously, he eventually came to write one of the greatest love songs of all time, 'Something.' George was a true friend, intensely loyal, caring deeply for those he loved and he inspired much love in return. Olivia and Dhani gave him the ideal family that he needed, and they have borne his illness with enormous courage and devotion. He was always so proud of them. George loved his garden in England, and creating beauty among his trees and plants was almost as important to him as his music. His marvelous sense of humor is well known, and we always had a good laugh when we were together. ... Now I believe, as he did, that he has entered a higher state. God give him peace." — George Martin
"I am very saddened by George's death and will miss him enormously. As a guitarist, he invented many classic lines that were much copied by others, and he wrote several very beautiful songs that we will always remember. He was a very complex character, both quiet and funny with a very sweet nature, but he also could be rather combative at times. He was the first musician I knew who developed a truly spiritual side, and he was generous with his time to both charity and to friends." — Mick Jagger
"To me — George was, always will be, above all, a real gentleman, in the full meaning of the word. We both felt we held similar positions in our respective bands, which formed a special, knowing bond between us. Let's hope he's jamming with John." — Keith Richards
"It was my sitar and Indian music which connected me to George in the beginning, but very soon our relationship went beyond that. He was a friend, disciple and son to me. George was a brave and beautiful soul, full of love, childlike humor and a deep spirituality. We spent the day before [he died] with him, and even then he looked so peaceful, surrounded by love. [My wife] Sukanya, [daughter] Anoushka and I are deeply affected by this loss, and our love and prayers are with Olivia and Dhani. George has left so many precious moments and memories in all our lives which will remain with us forever." — Ravi Shankar
“Goodbye sweet man. ATMP.” — Pete Townshend
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