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The continuing story of Bungalow Bill

Тема: Битлз - The Beatles (White Album) (1968)

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Re: The continuing story of Bungalow Bill
Автор: Expert   Дата: 20.05.05 00:13:09   
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http://aboutthebeatles.com/song-the_continuing_story_of_bungalow_bill.htmlhttp://aboutthebeatles.com/song-the_continuing_story_of_bungalow_bill.html

Song background
"Bungalow Bill" was actually an American named Richard Cooke, III, who had met the Beatles and was on a tiger hunt with his mother three hours away from Rishikesh, where the Beatles were meditating. Cooke shot a tiger on the when it jumped at him and his mother. When she started talking about the kill to the Maharishi and some of his folowers, the Maharishi became visably disturbed. It was then that Cooke began to think that maybe it wasn't such a good idea. Maharishi asked, "You had the desire Rik and now you no longer have the desire?" to which John asked, "Don't you call that slightly life destructive?" Cooke replied, "Well, John, it was either the tiger or us. The tiger was jumping right where we were." Those words became, "If looks could kill it would've been us instead of him".


Quotes
"The other Beatles were always real nice to me but John was always aloof. They epitomized the counter-culture and I was the classic good American boy and college athlete." - Richard Cooke, describing his encounter with the Beatles that imortalized him in a song.
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Re: The continuing story of Bungalow Bill
Автор: Expert   Дата: 20.05.05 00:25:48   
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На фото Ричард Кук и его мать Нэнси, выпустившей в 2003 книгу о 60-ых "All You Need Is Love".


Интересно что испаноязычный сайт может похвастаться куда как более полной информации о песенном прототипе.

http://usuarios.advance.com.ar/sergiac/john4.html
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Re: The continuing story of Bungalow Bill
Автор: Expert   Дата: 20.05.05 00:26:46   
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На фото Ричард Кук и его мать Нэнси (In case of accidents he always took his Mom), выпустившая в 2003 книгу о 60-ых "All You Need Is Love".


Интересно что испаноязычный сайт может похвастаться куда как более полной информации о песенном прототипе.

http://usuarios.advance.com.ar/sergiac/john4.html
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Re: The continuing story of Bungalow Bill
Автор: Expert   Дата: 21.05.05 00:06:03   
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http://www.religionnewsblog.com/4783-Love_and_Meditation__Transcendental_Meditation_pio...


[Transcendental Meditation]
Love and Meditation: Transcendental Meditation pioneer visits Stockton


The loss of a husband sent Nancy Cooke de Herrera into a spiral of grief that ended when she traveled to India in 1962, met the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and discovered the peace of Transcendental Meditation.

Several years later, as point person for the Maharishi, de Herrera was on site when the Beatles, Donovan, Mike Love and Mia Farrow arrived in the ashram.

De Herrera comes to Stockton's Barnes & Noble on Tuesday to talk about her role in helping introduce the art of meditation to rock and pop legends, and many others.

She'll sign copies of the spiritual autobiography in which she tells the story of her life and times -- "All You Need Is Love" (Jodere; $22).

De Herrera was a Bay Area blueblood and international fashionista who segued to devoted meditator and TM teacher to stars such as Madonna, Sheryl Crow and Paula Abdul, film legend Greta Garbo and troubled heiress Doris Duke.

Her book offers an eyewitness account of how meditation spread from east to west. Once thought to be esoteric teaching, it now has a secure place in American consciousness as religion and relaxant.

Meditation and yoga are so much part of the scene that it's hard to recall an era when they were not.

"When I started, words like 'guru' and 'mantra' did not exist," de Herrera said.

John, Paul, George and Ringo helped change that.

Her account of the Beatles puts us on the scene at one of the defining moments of the '60s -- the moment when pop culture met the guru. The moment when faith, fashion and philosophy took inspiration from India.

De Herrera remembers the Beatles fondly and recalls how the group gained peace and renewed creativity as they lingered to absorb the message of the Maharishi.

Her memories of Farrow -- who accused the Maharishi of making a pass at her -- are less amiable, portraying a spoiled young star with an agenda of her own. Husband Frank Sinatra did not make the pilgrimage with Farrow, though that certainly would have added an interesting (and dramatic) dimension to the ashram.

Beatles fans may be unaware that the group wrote "The Continuing Story of Bungalow Bill" to honor de Herrera and her adventurous son, a roving photographer.

De Herrera will talk about the Liverpool lads and others whose paths have crossed hers in four decades of espousing meditation.

Madonna, for example, called de Herrera to come to her home and give her some much-needed confidence at a low point in her life, when she was troubled by a stalker.

"That was the primary reason she called me," de Herrera said. "By learning to meditate, she could stay more centered and more in control of herself. I was surprised to find a very nice woman who didn't want people to know she had a very good education and a very good background."

Garbo, a close friend in the later years of her life, learned meditation for much the same reason.

"She used to say I'd made her so much less afraid of the world," de Herrera said. "You couldn't talk to her about acting very much, but once she told me she was always happier acting, because she could pretend she wasn't herself."

Duke was fearful of the fortune hunters who pursued her with professions of love and designs on her wealth.

"The sad part was that they scared away her real friends," de Herrera said.

She first met Duke as a Stanford student vacationing in Hawaii, long before she discovered meditation. Duke introduced her to actor friend Errol Flynn.

"My father said he'd disinherit me if I went out with Errol," de Herrera said of the hard-drinking, womanizing film star. "He was a real charmer, though, and so funny. We didn't speak of spirituality then. Any spirit he was interested in came out of the bottle. He could hold it, though. I never saw him get sloppy. And the crowds adored him, because he was so friendly and outgoing."

De Herrera, who has gone to India every year since her first visit 40 years ago, talks easily about these and other celebs, her spiritual quest and fulfillment, her time with the Beatles and the lessons of the Maharishi.

As a student and teacher, she said, she learned early the "tremendous benefit" of TM.

"It enables you to live so that stress never becomes distress," she said. "My big question has always been whether there is justice in the universe. I'm satisfied now that there is, but I got those answers, little by little, when I sat at the feet of some of the great saints of India."

When she returned to America, the wisdom she brought with her was not immediately welcomed.

"All my friends thought I was crazy when I started talking about Transcendental Meditation," said de Herrera, a youthful 80 and mother of four. "It changes your whole outlook and brings a great deal of joy into your life. That may be why I have wonderful health and energy."

She credits TM with making her less vulnerable to the trials and vexations of life, including a recent burglary that deprived her of many valuables.

"I don't think that anything happens by chance. I keep reminding myself that this is all a test, and those are but material things. It's not going to change my life. I might not have felt that way if I hadn't been meditating for 41 years."

She's also one of the few people who saw the private life and "other side" of the Beatles in their prime.

"Most people were afraid the Beatles would distract us from the wonderful knowledge we were acquiring," de Herrera said. "But the Beatles picked us up. They wrote more songs with us than they ever did before. And it was wonderful to see the change that came over John, who looked happy and pink-cheeked, and played his guitar for everyone."

She also remembers the time someone asked George Harrison if he and his musical mates might care to go for an elephant ride.

"Being a Beatle is like living on an elephant," Harrison replied.
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Re: The continuing story of Bungalow Bill
Автор: Elicaster   Дата: 28.06.16 15:26:41   
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Кто играет во вступлении на гитаре (spanish guitar)?
Таки прояснилось ли точно кто это?
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Re: The continuing story of Bungalow Bill
Автор: vitalij   Дата: 28.06.16 17:20:27   
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2Elicaster:

>Кто играет во вступлении на гитаре (spanish guitar)?
>Таки прояснилось ли точно кто это?

В "Путеводителе по музыке "Битлз" Джона Робертсона написано, что spanish guitar была взята с пленок, хранящихся в архивах И-ЭМ-АЙ.
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Re: The continuing story of Bungalow Bill
Автор: Elicaster   Дата: 29.06.16 22:55:49   
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During mixing on October 17, while the album's tracks were being linked together, Thomas pressed one of the "pre-set" tape sounds included in the mellotron and heard a flamenco guitar solo, which became the track's opening. This makes "Bungalow" arguably the first song to include a sampled performance!
Во время микширования, 17 октября, когда треки альбома связывали друг с другом, Chris Thomas нажал на воспроизведение одной из записей предварительного прослушивания которые встроены в меллотрон и услышал соло на гитаре в стиле фламенко, которое и стало вступлением песни. Это сделало Bungalow вероятно первой песней которая содержит в себе пример (сэмпл) исполнения.
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Re: The continuing story of Bungalow Bill
Автор: Elicaster   Дата: 30.06.16 18:52:07   
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Старинное обсуждение (аж с 1 января 1995 года) того кто играет на гитаре во вступлении.

>I have a question.... what was that bit at the beginning of Bungalow Bill?
>Did George play that, or was it spliced off some classical album?
>Sounds like the latter. Ever see the sheet music for that?

An extremely involved discussion on this very topic recently took place in this forum. No conclusions were reached but general suggestions included the following:
a) It was a Mellotron.
b) It was a session musician.
c) It was lifted from the EMI music library.
From personal correspondence with a well-known musicologist, I've also been made aware that other possibilities have been propounded:
d) It was lifted from an unspecified Django Reinhardt solo guitar record.
e) It was a flamenco guitar riff recorded for another purpose by an unnamed musician.

It seems unlikely that a) is possible; Chris Thomas played Mellotron on that track, but says he only did mandolin bits in the verses and trombone bits in the chorus.
If it was b), there are no existing documents to give us his name or suggest his existence.
Selection c), d) and e) are possible, though no one to our knowledge has identified any prerecorded music identical to the guitar pattern beginning "Bungalow Bill".
Lewisohn is circumspect, saying that it was "recorded separately and then edited onto the beginning of take three" ("Recording Sessions", p. 160). This does not preclude the use of a previously-recorded classical/flamenco piece, but may have been couched in these terms to preserve anonymity of the perpetrator in the event the piece was lifted without permission.
The concensus of the last r.m.b. discussion was that it was decidedly *not* performed by one of that Fabs, though I'm at a loss to understand why.

ПЕРЕВОД:
> У меня вопрос .... что это было во вступлении Bungalow Bill?
> Джордж ли сыграл это, или это забрано с какого-то классического альбома?
> Похоже, последнее. Когда-нибудь видел ноты этого?

Чрезвычайно активное участие обсуждение этой самой темы в последнее время имели место в этом форуме. Никаких выводов не было достигнуто, но общие предложения включали в себя следующее:
а) Это был меллотрон
б) Это был сессионный музыкант.
в) Трек был взят с музыкальной библиотеки EMI.
Из личной переписки с хорошо известным музыковедом, я также узнал, что были и другие варианты:
d) Трек был снят с неустановленной записи гитариста Джанго Рейнхардта.
е) Этот гитарный рифф в стиле фламенко записал для другой цели неназванный музыкант.

Кажется маловероятным, но
а) возможно; Крис Томас играл меллотроне в этой песне, но говорит, что он только сделал мандолине биты в стихах и тромбона битов в хоре.
Если бы это было б), нет существующих документов, чтобы дать нам свое имя или предложить свое существование.
Выбор с), d) и е) возможен, хотя никто, насколько нам известно, не выявил никаких прежде записанной музыки, идентичный образцу гитары что звучит в начале "Bungalow Bill".
Марк Льюисон осторожно отмечает, что она была "записана отдельно, а затем отредактирована для начала третьего дубля" (это сказано в его книге "Recording Sessions...", стр. 160). Это не исключает возможности использования ранее записанного кусочка в стиле классического фламенко, но, возможно, были сформулированы в этих терминах, чтобы сохранить анонимность правонарушителя в случае если кусочек записи был использован без разрешения.
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Re: The continuing story of Bungalow Bill
Автор: Elicaster   Дата: 30.06.16 18:56:58   
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Хотя, для меня нет сомнений что это не Джанго Рейнхардт.
Джанго сыграл бы это more jazzzzzzzzzy.
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